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bignready
anyone tried that x-factor stuff?would it be good between cycles?  

06 Dec 2005 07:33

the masterpiece
[QUOTE=bignready]anyone tried that x-factor stuff?would it be good between cycles?[/QUOTE]


i never tried it but after reading about it on http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mn/xfactor.html

im interested in trying it) It's much more different from no-explode but i geuss i will put no explode on pause and see what this stuff can do sounds serious to me.  

06 Dec 2005 20:44
bignready
cool.keep us posted  

07 Dec 2005 00:55
GAFFY
Its not the safest supplement.  

20 Dec 2005 21:19
Matt Daniels
why do you say that gaf?  

20 Dec 2005 23:28
ShuttaLCD
X-Factor is great! I have ran one cycle of it and i had AMAZING results..

Its definately worth a try.

-Shutta  

21 Dec 2005 01:13
GAFFY
[QUOTE=Matt Daniels]why do you say that gaf?[/QUOTE]
Gaf, lmao =]
Well, X-Factor is a flammatory, and your not suppose to take it with anti-flammatories so thats already bad. High doses of AA can set tumor growth, and etc. There isnt too much research on it either, and the only positive is the muscle growth.  

21 Dec 2005 02:28
Matt Daniels
...who said i was going to take it with an anti inflammatory? and i dont really care about cancer all that much seeing as like its been said..EVERYTHING causes cancer...so its just a game of chance  

21 Dec 2005 05:58
GAFFY
Are 10 pounds worth it?  

21 Dec 2005 06:06
ShuttaLCD
Gaffy,

Please show me were it says high AA will cause Tumor growth..weres the science? This stuff is being tested and tested and tested even mroe. William (CEO) is a very smart man. He is getting lab test on this stuff as we speak just to show that there are NO sides.


-Shutta  

21 Dec 2005 09:05
Matt Daniels
whats with all the negativity gaffy.....your facts dont seem to be right...you make it sound like everythings gonna kill you  

21 Dec 2005 17:31
ShuttaLCD
[QUOTE=Matt Daniels]whats with all the negativity gaffy.....your facts dont seem to be right...you make it sound like everythings gonna kill you[/QUOTE]


atleast we agree on this Matt. :laughing:

-Shutta  

21 Dec 2005 18:55
GAFFY
Nah, but its your health. Why risk anything with it? The whole point of BB is that its a healthy lifestyle, not one where you risk something to gain a few pounds.  

22 Dec 2005 04:05
GAFFY
[QUOTE=Matt Daniels]whats with all the negativity gaffy.....your facts dont seem to be right...you make it sound like everythings gonna kill you[/QUOTE]

[B]Bone Loss [/B]- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16365401&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum
People on X-Factor have noticed joint pains too. I hear it can be fixed with anti-oxidants. In this case it was ALA.

[quote=http://www.ultraprevention.com/healing/pain.htm]The chief fatty acid responsible for inflammation is one called arachidonic acid. A diet rich in arachidonic acid contributes to the cycle of pain and inflammation. Foods that are rich in arachidonic acid include animal meats, egg yolks, and shellfish. One step in stopping inflammation is reducing dietary intake of these foods.[/quote]

I assume since AA is a flammatory, therefore it must cause cell damage.
Also interesting - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9507233&dopt=Citation

Notice that MolecularNutrition.net does not claim anything about its safety.
Also, it turns out AA works by converting into prostaglandins. Lets take a look at that:

[quote]It has been determined that they exist and are synthesized in virtually every cell of the body.
Prostaglandins, are like hormones in that they act as chemical messengers, but do not move to other sites, but work right within the cells where they are synthesized.

Functions of Prostaglandins:

There are a variety of physiological effects including:

1. Activation of the inflammatory response, production of pain, and fever. When tissues are damaged, white blood cells flood to the site to try to minimize tissue destruction. Prostaglandins are produced as a result.

2. Blood clots form when a blood vessel is damaged. A type of prostaglandin called thromboxane stimulates constriction and clotting of platelets. Conversely, PGI2, is produced to have the opposite effect on the walls of blood vessels where clots should not be forming.

3. Certain prostaglandins are involved with the induction of labor and other reproductive processes. PGE2 causes uterine contractions and has been used to induce labor.

4. Prostaglandins are involved in several other organs such as the gastrointestinal tract (inhibit acid synthesis and increase secretion of protective mucus), increase blood flow in kidneys, and leukotriens promote constriction of bronchi associated with asthma. [/quote]
from: http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/555prostagland.html
and its all true, I knew about these sides such as blood clots, finally found proof for them.  

22 Dec 2005 04:45
GAFFY
In addition, im going to forward this post to the owner of MN to see how he responses.  

22 Dec 2005 04:48
Matt Daniels
[QUOTE=GAFFY]Nah, but its your health. Why risk anything with it? The whole point of BB is that its a healthy lifestyle, not one where you risk something to gain a few pounds.[/QUOTE]

lol bodybuilding isnt healthy at all...nothing is healthy these days so id rather be an unhealthy bber then a shrimpy nobody  

22 Dec 2005 15:03
Matt Daniels
i dunno im gonna check it out....i might take it....  

22 Dec 2005 15:06
GAFFY
Do you =]
How old are you?  

22 Dec 2005 17:35
Matt Daniels
15 almost 16  

23 Dec 2005 06:57
GAFFY
Same here, I think its too early for XF. IF you want something nice, look into Man Orotine . =]  

23 Dec 2005 08:27
Matt Daniels
why...its not a pro hormone so why would it be too early....:confused:  

23 Dec 2005 08:45
GAFFY
Its a flammatory, did you read the warning post btw?  

23 Dec 2005 22:43
Matt Daniels
your moms a warning post....and on top of that shes also probably a flammatory  

24 Dec 2005 05:48
GAFFY
[QUOTE=Matt Daniels]your moms a warning post....and on top of that shes also probably a flammatory[/QUOTE]
WTF is your problem you little herb??
I'm trying to help you, ****in ignorant bitch.  

24 Dec 2005 05:55
bignready
hey guys,can't we all just get along?i started this thread to find out people's experiences with x-factor.whether it worked or not.and it turned into this BS.does it work or not?  

24 Dec 2005 17:15
GAFFY
Yeah.
Look, I'm not stopping you from taking it, but your only 15 years old, and you saw the possible side effects. If you think 10 pounds are worth a hundred bucks(not to mention all the additional bs you have to stack it with), and you health, then by all means go for it.  

24 Dec 2005 20:27
ShuttaLCD
[QUOTE=bignready]hey guys,can't we all just get along?i started this thread to find out people's experiences with x-factor.whether it worked or not.and it turned into this BS.does it work or not?[/QUOTE]


Hey man,

It worked for me. And i will suggest this to you over anything else right now. because of the results I GOT from it. Not from what i read/heard.. As i said it is pricy but it WORKS it did for me and other friends of mine that have taken it.


Gaffy,

What other supps do you ahve to stack with it? you mentiond that and i dont know of what you are talking about? please inform me. I only took protein with mine... But i DO agree with you on the MAN Orotine its a nice product as well..The CLOUT isnt all that bad either but it gave me muscle twitches and a "tingleing" sensation that i jsut couldnt bare after a couple days i had to stop but the gains were comming.

Also did you email William (CEO of MN) on your questions with XF? I must tell you that hes really busy right now with his new book so just give him a couple of days to reply.


-Shutta  

24 Dec 2005 21:23
Matt Daniels
lol holy crap gaf....learn to take a joke bud.... :laughing:  

24 Dec 2005 21:55
Robfromny
merry xmas kids........ robs got a BIG presant for you, now open wide and shut your eyes... gaf is takin test, so dont be so hard on the guy  

24 Dec 2005 22:00
GAFFY
[QUOTE=ShuttaLCD]
Gaffy,

What other supps do you ahve to stack with it? you mentiond that and i dont know of what you are talking about? please inform me. I only took protein with mine... But i DO agree with you on the MAN Orotine its a nice product as well..The CLOUT isnt all that bad either but it gave me muscle twitches and a "tingleing" sensation that i jsut couldnt bare after a couple days i had to stop but the gains were comming.

Also did you email William (CEO of MN) on your questions with XF? I must tell you that hes really busy right now with his new book so just give him a couple of days to reply.


-Shutta[/QUOTE]

I emailed him a few days ago, no response nothing. I have yet to wait. Look at their site, they are not saying anything about safety.
As far as X-Factor, you probably want to stack it with a multivitamin obviously, anti-oxidants for joint pain and boneloss, CEE just for the improved results, and BCAA or something for recovery, as it makes you very sore.
Some people choose to stack it with Prohormones.
Also, X-factor will give you the same results as if you were on a plataue, and really, think about it, in 50 days 10 pounds should be hard unless your doing something wrong. Most people gain 5 pounds off something like XPAND or V12 in just 25 days. I understand if your like 30 years old, and feel like you reached you genetic limitations, but if your 15 with your hormones off the rofos, you can probably pull off 10 pounds in 50 days without supplements. I know an ectomorph that gained 9 pounds from july to august.  

25 Dec 2005 03:35
Matt Daniels
pft...maybe if he was just starting....  

25 Dec 2005 07:04
bignready
if i could gain 10 lbs every 50 days.wow.i'd be one happy camper.think about what you are saying boy  

25 Dec 2005 09:28
Matt Daniels
lol exactly...I think he may be a bit new to the iron game  

26 Dec 2005 09:21
bignready
yea,i guess so.but that's more of a reason to listen and not speak about things you are not sure of.right  

26 Dec 2005 15:20
Matt Daniels
is that directed towards me or him?  

27 Dec 2005 05:10
bignready
directed at him.not you bro  

27 Dec 2005 12:48
Matt Daniels
haha aight  

28 Dec 2005 09:14
the masterpiece
[QUOTE=GAFFY]Nah, but its your health. Why risk anything with it? The whole point of BB is that its a healthy lifestyle, not one where you risk something to gain a few pounds.[/QUOTE]

not all body builders are healthy the pros are not healthy doctors don't consider 2 g or 3g of protien per pound the say 0.7g per pound is all u need to have good gains  

03 Jan 2006 21:08
bignready
imagine less than 1g per lb of protein.wo  

03 Jan 2006 22:12

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